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Your Ideas and Comments: June 1, 2005

Thank you to all who have submitted ideas for the future of Moran!!

 

Build on the site a 1920's style Art Deco style movie palace showing only Jane Powell MGM musicals, e.g. Holiday in Mexico, Luxury Liner, A Date with Judy, Royal Wedding, Rich, Young and Pretty, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

 

I believe it would be wonderful to have the Burlington Parks & Rec Dept. there.  They need it, desperately.

 

More park - please.  Tear down the Moran Plant.  Save the Sailing Center.

 

The YMCA should go into the Moran Plant.

 

Demolish the old Moran Plant building.  Then decide what should go there.  I would vote for open multi-use plan - with a structure that would accommodate a winter use structure.

 

Please dismantle the Moran Plant, recycle the buildilng materials elsewhere, and landscape the entire area so that it extends Waterfront Park for a growing Burlington area population.  Also, hold a sculpture competition for Vermont artists so that this city can have some more public art.

 

Tear it Down!  It's ugly!  Rehab of that eye sore would be a waste of effort and money.  Keep the space public.  Either a new building or facility or a green space.  Best to keep it a city controlled property.

 

Tear it down - leave the green space.  No more development on the waterfront!

 

1.  a human history museum re: Burlington and lake history; 2. a children's museum - like Boston; 3. a space to be rented for events: proms, fundraisers, banquets, workshops; 4. keep access for sailing - keep sailing center; 5.  a community fitness center; 6.  a big day care; 7. some combination of all there or 8. conversion to affordable housing, working families, not sec. 8.

 

I liked the YMCA idea a lot

 

1.  Remove existing structure; 2.  Provide for Sailing Center but expand for more docks and citizen access to the lake;  3.  Consider a band shell.  Note - I don't see how this method of collecting ideas will really work - it would be better to have a check off of various possibilities - including the tear down option.

 

Tear down the building.  It is trash.  Create picnic area with access to lake and fishing pier.

 

Tear down Moran Plant - clean up area and leave as open space for a few years until people adjust to open space and think logically about it.  NO large buildings and parking lots.  No special interest groups.

 

Please tear down the Moran Plant.  Please turn 100% of the area into a park - with no buildings except may one restroom building.  Continue to have the Sailing Center there for sailing lessons and boat rental.  Plant grass and trees.  Have nice landscaping.  Add park benches and picnic tables.  Like Sandbar Park - but more convenient.  No commercial or non-profit buildings.  No more cement!

 

Tear the eyesore down before some fool puts it on the historic register!  Develop plans for a marina with a mix of local and transient docks.  Right not transient craft have extremely limited dock spae and local businesses are hurt thereby.  You can fill all the affordable local spaces you can construct.  We have an excellent harbor with trifling facilities.

 

Tear it down.  Seed it over with grass.

 

Tear it down.  Replace with grass - walkways - maybe a bandshell - flowers and restroom facilities - area for small children - benches controlled by parks dept.  This property is valuable and should be available to all citizens of Burlington.

 

Tear the building down and make a marina out of it, and make some money on it renting it out.

 

Renegotiate with YMCA for better terms for the City.  Be sure to keep Sailing Center in the area.  Allow for adequate parking without interfering with Bike Path and Skate Park.

 

Enlarge the current space by removing the Moran Plant.  Then use the space for a bigger waterfront park with access to the entire community.  Perhaps a bandstand, benches, gardens.  This is probably the last opportunity for free open space on the water we may ever have.  Don't blow it.

 

We need something there to ease taxes (property tax).  It's getting to be crazy in Burlington with taxes.  I am on a fix income from the City (Fire Dept.).  This last tax increase and cost of drugs and living expense makes me wonder how long I can keep my home.  My wife's health insurance alone takes 20% of my pension.  Thank God for V.A. for me.

 

Tear down the Moran Plant - create a marina there, include the community sailing center and boat slips for rental by Burlington residents (at reasonable cost) - no major buildings there and no concert venue.

 

I'm all in favor of tearing down the Moran Plant and beautifying the waterfront.

 

1.  Tear it down and create a recreational area, like a picnic ground or a treed mini-park.  2. Clear the lot and create a new skate park for bigger kids.  (Current skate park is insufficient.)  3.  Whatever you do, don't put in any new buildings.  The waterfront is becoming a mess.  That hideous copper-topped monstrosity is the last straw.


 

Tear it down!  Even though I am a life-long Burlingtonian (75 years), as well as a local history buff - I see no redeeming value in this building and it is probably an environmental hazard.

 

Greetings,

My idea for the Moran plant ties together the historical heritage of the waterfront and the city's already announced plans for recreational facilities. By following this plan, the city would create an icon for itself on that land.

Over one hundred years ago, approximately 1860, the original Union Station was built on land nearby. A glorious building, it formed the centerpiece of the city, hosting visits by more than one President to Burlington. I've attached a photo of this building in case you're not familiar.

The city has proposed the development of an aqua center at Leddy Park, and has stated the need for more recreational facilities. In fact, the Department of Parks and Recreation has proposed over 6 million dollars for this purpose.

My proposal is to build a facsimile of the original Union Station in much the same way as the Burlington Boat House was re-created some years ago. It could serve as the centerpiece for various festivals and events, even becoming a symbol and gateway to the city from the waterfront. The interior of the building could be designed as a recreational facility, incorporating a new city swimming pool. This facility would be paid for utilizing a 10 million dollar 30 year bond issue, which would be less than half of what the city paid recently for a new sewage treatment system.

This proposal is financially sound, incorporates city plans, beautifies the waterfront, ties in historically, and increases community. I hope you take this under serious consideration.

Kevin Ryan

Burlington Vermont RR Station

 

Hi Nick -

What I heard most in objection to the Moran Plant was that people didn't like a private, Christian organization taking it over for a $1 lease - to benefit those people who can afford memberships. They wanted something available to all Burlingtonians. As a regular Y user, I personally know that the Y isn't really a "christian" organization the way these people meant it, but I couldn't convince people otherwise. Also, as someone who has easily gotten financial aid from the Y, despite my high income, I know that they really do try to make their services available to everyone. In my case, that meant looking at my whole debt load and not just my income - I am very grateful for that. But I don't think many non-Y users understood the true nature of the organization. In any case, from what I heard, it wasn't the use of the building as an athletic facility that bothered people, but more who was owning it (private, religious) and who would have access (only those who could afford it).

As I argued with my brother, he brought up the idea of a City-owned indoor pool that is open to all Burlingtonians. I love this idea. Maybe with a more professional outdoor skating rink? Other athletic facilities? i love the building, having lived on Lakeview Terrace in high school and watched its blinking lights. I would love to see it preserved, and whatever its use, have it be public, not private. I am not convinced that razing it and making it public land would bring people down the waterfront that far. If the Y really does leave Burlington, we would sorely need another downtown athletic facility with a pool or two, one that is more affordable and more accessible on foot or bike than twin oaks and the like.

Thanks for asking our opinion & good luck!

Sarah Woodard

 

Mr. Warner, Hello. My basic view is that the Moran site should remain a public space for everyone now and for many generations to come and that we should think grand and worry about the dollars later. To that end, here's my idea:

Tear down the plant and build a large (though not as tall as moran plant) glass conservatory with the adjacent land an arboretum filled with local flowers / shrubs / trees, fountains and curvy pathways. I call it the Lake Champlain Conservatory and Arboretum.

What are the advantages of a state of the art green house on the waterfront?

1. A place for residents to experience native or tropical plants indoors in the winter (and all year.) Winters can be so dreary here. Wouldn't it be great to have a lush, warm place right here in the heart of Vermont's largest city to spend some time with greenery -- and perhaps learn a thing or two?

2. Another great reason for tourists to visit -- and a great counter-part to the ECCO center. An aquarium is great, but an aquarium AND an indoor garden a block away is better! I believe it would draw many people to Burlington on it's own, but also along with waterfront festivals, ECCO, Shelburne and Maritime Museums.

3. A hands on indoor / outdoor place for school children to learn about plants and conservation -- a great and conveniently located place for a field trip.

4. The Lake Champlain Conservatory and Arboretum could be run by a non-profit and staffed mostly by volunteers and college students studying biology.

5. Besides a few small green houses at garden centers, Vermont has no large indoor gardens.

6. I think it would be quite fitting to take the old hulking remnant of Burlington's past and replace it with something beautiful that everyone could enjoy--and unlike the YMCA, one wouldn't have to be a member or be physically inclined to enjoy a visit.

Of course, the biggest question is who would pay for it. I don't have an answer, except to point to recent funding sources for ECCO and the Louise McClure. But who knows....Five years from now on a wicked cold January day, I could take my young son to experience a little peace and warmth and greenery -- just down the hill by the lake.

Thank you for the opportunity for input!
greg goetsch


 

 
Auction for residential development according to prescribed parameters. Residents are necessary for a vibrant safe neighborhood; the cash could go to underground the overhead wires, which ties back to the original use as a BED asset. The units will help the tax base.
Samuel Press


 

A good start would be to tear the building down. Then possibly Marina with boating slips.

Thanks,
John Kiehl


 


 

Hi Folks:

I read with interest Maurice Mahoney's remarks in the paper today. I guess he and his group have already decided what they want to do at the Moran site. So much for facilitating or even sitting this one out and listening as they had said. Perhaps his group's name should be "Let My People Decide."

His suggestion of tearing down the Plant and leaving the area as open space may prove to be what the public wants; if so, great. My only concern is that his group's efforts, focusing on their idea, do not eclipse the process the City is setting up to solicit all ideas and then allow citizens to make a specific choice. His talk of "if this process does not go anywhere" he will bring forth a ballot question has me wondering how he would define "not going anywhere." I wonder if he will believe that the process is not going anywhere if there is not a consensus early on to tear the Plant down and leave the land for open space. If Maurice's potential ballot question were to go down, we still would not know what the public wants, we would just know about another proposal that it does not want. I think making sure the process gets a chance is something we all have to be vigilant about and perhaps discuss further.

Best,
Peter


 

Mr. Warner, how about "The Joe Burrell Performing Arts Center." Higher Ground went to So. Burlington. It is time Burlington had a first rate, possibly indoor / outdoor, center for the arts. I picture something like The Dibdon Center at JSC with an amphitheatre and equal acoustics. Maybe BTV could steal the Mozart Festival too!

Sam Faris.

 

In all cases below as a first step tear the building down

1. a public picnic area
2. a public garden
3. a public garden with shrub maze for kids (and adults)
4. Just plant grass
5. don't turn the water front into one big docking and mooring area. keep it open.
6. don't do any more building development on the waterfront. We don't need more stores on this sacred resource.

 

Hello,

My opinion on this is that it should be torn down and a nice park be put in. We don't have enough open spaces in the city.

Thanks,
Brent Grenier

 

I strongly supported the plan to relocate the YMCA at the Moran plant and still do. It is my hope that the outcome of this process will be the adoption of that original plan. As a resident of Burlington since 1991 and a user of the waterfront and the Y since then as well, I think it is the best possible use of the space and that portion of the waterfront.

Deborah Lashman

 

Hello Mr. Warner,

At the very least, the plant should be torn down and converted to a green space / park area, similar to what already exists on the waterfront. Ideally some sort of performing arts center, such as SPAC or Tanglewood, should be built when funding allows. Passenger train service and public boat moorings could be utilized as alternative modes of travel. This would help alleviate traffic and create more of a unique experience for visitors. The era of using waterfront property for commercial and industrial purposes has come to pass.

Thanks,
Peter Kapusta

 

Hi Nick-

I think that Burlington would benefit by turning the Moran Plant into a diversity center that celebrates the many cultures that exist in and around Burlington.

Chris

 

 

 

My top preference is for the Moran Plant to be torn down, the site cleaned up from any environmental pollution, and the area kept as an open green space. The Lake Champlain Community Sailing Center should be kept in its current location, either with its current building section renovated or a new building purpose built at the same place.

Thora Chadwick

 

Tear it down and put up a Ferris Wheel in a small park.

Tracy Meier & Pat Cook


 

Tear down the Moran Plant. Put a casino with a civic center on that spot. Make them tax exempt and take a percentage of their profit. Sell or implode the auditorium. Move the YMCA next to KMart. If you build it they will come.

Ken Vachereau

 

1. Tear it down and leave it green.

2. Build a performing arts shell that can be used 50-60% of the year, as an alternative to Memorial Auditorium and Flynn Theater.

3. Change the Land Trust Limitations on the property to allow for commercial development and then seek some beneficial proposals.

Alan Sousie

 

Hi, regarding Moran, I would love to see the development of a community center with an ecological focus. Some activities that could an educational arena for the development of freedom of expression in radio, film, documentary, books, magazines, and the arts which could also help pay for the cost of running the center. I think building a central large scale diverse independent media center will help spread free speech , ideas, and solutions to social problems both locally and around the world. One last word. I don't believe it is in the best interest of " everyone" in supporting" privatization" of public property to create another "YMCA" of a diverse community of both religious and nonreligious origins, or privatization of public supported property for profit before people.

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